Tuesday, May 8, 2007

I Hate Sports

UPDATED

Ok, maybe that is a tad strong, but that is the general sentiment I've had for most of my life. And though I've never been particularly good at sports, that isn't the reason I felt this way. Which makes sense, because I'm sure there are millions of men who are not particularly good at sports who are, nonetheless, rabid sports fanatics.

No, for me, what I have always hated is watching sports, and not so much that, but the huge emphasis placed on sports starting from a very young age. I hated seeing so much time and effort put into sports and sporting events, making small celebrities out of the athletes while at the same time, those who were in school for the actual purpose of school - to be educated, were sidelined. I hated seeing all those letter jackets for the sports people when there were no equivalent letter jackets for scholastic achievement or even for those who excelled on the debate team or other intellectual teams for the school. (And again, this isn't because I wanted such recognition - I was never on any of the scholastic teams.) It seemed to me to be sending the wrong message - a focus on the wrong priority. You are told to do well in school, but then those who do so are ignored and sidelined as nerds while those who do poorly but can throw a ball are heroes.

Now, this has probably handicapped me for life socially, because apparently all men are supposed to be able to relate to each other through talking about sports. But I have no interest in sports and know nothing about any teams or players and never watch any games. This might be perhaps why I don't make many male friends, at least, fewer than average. And why with women friends I have I never seem to connect much with their husbands or boyfriends. I don't know the code words, I don't seem to have anything in common - and if there is something in common buried beneath the surface - well, men aren't generally very good at finding such things, which is probably why the default topic between men who don't know each other well is sports.

I remember going on an interview for a summer associate position with a large, prestigious firm when I was in law school. I had made it through round one, but then came round two with a parade of lawyers asking me things, and then the interview lunch with several of the younger associates. The whole topic through lunch was sports and I had nothing to say. They did bring up something about another season of "Survivor" coming on, and that, at least, I was familiar with -I like that show. But all I got in response to mentioning that was a dismissive disdain for it as now no longer being "novel" so not worth watching. Only later did I realize that such a statement was ridiculous from people talking only about sports - sports are no different than survivor. All sports are reality TV, playing the same game over and over. That's all Survivor is. It is just a game of intellectual skill and manipulation, not athletics (though athletics obviously play a role). In any case, I knew after that lunch I would probably not get the position, and I didn't. If I were a woman and a feminist, I might blame the ever elusive, mythical "patriarchy" that allegedly controls all. But I am a man. I can't say for sure that was the reason I did not get the position, but I'm sure it certainly played a role. And it had nothing to do with gender.

If I were nakedly ambitious, I might just fake it, learn about sports, force myself to pay attention to it, and then talk about it in such situations, but I'm not very good at faking interest in something. I've also since determined that I'd probably never want to work for a large firm anyway, though it isn't just large firms where sports interest would be useful. Hopefully it won't handicap me too much in my profession in the future.

Now if anyone wants to talk about gaming (Dungeons and Dragons!), or politics, or religion - well, I can get into all sorts of trouble there, but I won't have to fake any interest.

UPDATE: One thing I forgot to mention was where my lack of interest in sports originated. I think it is basically because my dad seems to have no interest in sports. Which just goes to show you that alot of what we are is shaped by our environment. My mother, on the other hand, is a rabid College Basketball and Football fan - but only for her school. And so, not too unsurprisingly, my sister is also much more interested in sports, and she was the jock in the family. She taught Physical Education in high school and she's a black belt in Tai Quon Do. As you might imagine, this also gave me a different perspective on men and women growing up, one that took years for me to figure out wasn't the general case. I will probably post about my different perspective at another time.

24 comments:

David said...

Holy cow - I feel as though I could have written this post myself. (I would replace the law firm interview lunch with any number of other business lunches - but other than that it's the same.) Thanks for writing this out. I'm 39 and married with two young kids. It is refreshing to hear another guy say he doesn't like watching sports or celebrating what sports seems to represent in our society. Personally, I enjoy participating in various sports, but watching them on television is so boring, so lazy. And then talking about them ad nauseum? Come on. Get a life.
Truth be told, I've always thought that people who love watching and talking about sports simply weren't too smart.
Thanks again for this post and for the whole blog - great stuff.

Robert said...

I'm right there with you, although I don't even have the excuse that my parents didn't like sports, my Dad is a huge football fan.

I hate watching sports, nothing could be duller. I enjoy a good game of softball, but then I'm actually out there playing. I play paintball, and I love tabletop gaming (Shadowrun tops D&D though... hah!)

I must have gotten lucky though, I have plenty of male friends (who don't have my sense of revulsion towards sports, but we have other things in common). But I do agree that I think I have missed out on career opportunities because I couldn't talk sports. I was passed over for a promotion by a much less qualified guy simply (I believe) because he loved the Raiders, and my Boss did too. They were then working in the same area and basically BSed about the Raiders day in and out.

But I think there are more guys that don't like sports then people realize, we just don't often advertise the fact.

DBB said...

Yeah, that is probably true - there probably are lots of guys who aren't into sports, though probably the stereotype about that is the classic 'nerd' stereotype (which I embrace just because) - with a strong implication that one is not a 'man' if one isn't into sports. Which, of course, I dispute.

And Shadowrun - yes, I enjoy that as well - ran it for many years, 1st-2nd Ed, but then haven't since then. Haven't even looked at 3rd or 4th ed, though I admit I have the books. (Just didn't have time - law school and all).

Mr K said...

Yeah I'd have to agree there, all through my life I have had to deal with people who are obsessed with sports... I just don't care.

Gong said...

i am into "certain" sports, so i cannot say that i am not into sports altogether. i tend to like watching individual sports (love most of the olympic events that are individual-focussed), and i was a serious tennis player when i was younger, and was even thinking about turning pro when i was in college.

and then, i discovered books.

Anonymous said...

I have the same feelings as you on this. I have never liked sports. Watching them is boring, playing them is only fun if you are with friends, and then it is not for the sport but for the friends. The part I hate the most is how much people talk about them. Every time the Superbowl comes around I have to find out which team is playing which team and at least one player, otherwise I will have nothing to talk about with some of the people I talk to.

ballgame said...

Great post, dbb. I'm not quite as averse to sports fandom as you, which definitely helps out with my relationships with some of the guys I work with. Sports does provide a politically safe (that is, utterly meaningless) topic to cheer, commisserate, joke, and argue about.

My real passions -- left wing politics, gender egalitarianism, and general artsy fartsiness -- are a lot more problematic to share with guys I work with.

Robert said...

If you like 2nd edition, 3rd is basically just a streamlined version. The 3rd edition sourcebooks are great in that they give all the mechanics to designing everything you would want int the system. Ie: the vehicle book has the rules for designing vehicels, the weapon book has rules for making guns etc...

4th edition is a complete new rules system, and while it does spped up play, it also looses some flavor...

Discussing the merits of roleplaying systems in a thread about hating sports seems somehow appropriate.

DBB said...

I would worry about loss of flavor. One of the things I LOVED about the Shadowrun game was it was just DRENCHED in flavor. I liked the little quotes they'd have with contacts where they'd use their manufactured future slang, "chummer" being one of my favorite words there.

One of these days I'll crack open those books and take a peek.

And yes, there is some sense in talking about gaming in a thread about a dislike for watching sports.

cornucrapia said...

I'm in the same boat. I enjoy playing some sports (I'm doing rec soccer once a week these days) but as for watching them? How incredibly boring. Living in Calgary during playoff season is damn near intolerable. You'll see bankers wearing Flames Jerseys, it's like the dress code is either suit and tie or jersey, bizarre. The only "sport" I enjoy watching is skateboarding, and to a lesser extent other extreme sports. But they're different from general sport coverage in several ways. Most importantly is the artistry of the filming, even if you don't know what a fakie heelflip is you can appreciate the stunning camera work and acrobatics. In Canada, at least where I went to school we don't have letter jackets or anything for any particular sport or group, which is nice, but EVERYONE played hockey so there was still definitely exclusion if you weren't a jock.

Bruno-X said...

Thanks for writing this. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only hetero male that does not like sports.

It's so hard for me to comprehend such irony... that fantasizing about men and praising their trivial achievements ad nauseam is considered by men and women alike to be most masculine. I'd rather talk about this girl or that girl and how I'd like to F the cr@p out of her.

bruno-x said...

Oh, and by the way, sports fans... while you're grabbing ass with all your other male friends talking about men in tights handling balls, I'm contemplating how to get into your girlfriend's pants, whom you've left all alone.

Anonymous said...

I feel the same way as the poster about sports. I never cared about them. And the social awkwardness I experience almost everytime someone speaks because I don't know anything about sports annoys me to no end! But I don't care. I'd rather lose the power to speak than watch even five minutes of football. Oh--I am a hetero male. But, on the bright side, I have learned that there are a lot of us out there who don't give a damn about sports. It's just that admitting it is something akin to saying that you eat bugs. People don't know what to make of you. And most of us don't want to admit that we eat bugs. ;)

DBB said...

I'm now rather unapologetic about my disinterest (and sometimes dislike) of sports. But it still handicaps me in multiple social situations. I can't fake it (nor would I).

CG said...

I was surfing the web and found your article. I cant express how much I agreed with what you expressed. I, too, have not been able to develop an interest in sports, and have been always dismayed by the degree ofimportance given to sports by seemingly every segment of this society. It wouldnt be nearly so bad if there were was some proportion to it, or at least some refuge from it somewhere, but sports mania has become inescapable. It actually makes me a bit depressed when I think about it, I guess primarily because the unthinking mania for sports so often causes an excessive regard for things that really just shouldnt be so important, and an equivalent neglect for things that really should be treasured more. And when one makes an effort to complain about it, one all too often gets a dismissive "brush off", as if the mere idea of disliking sports or questioning its excess did not merit being taken seriously.

Perhaps the only thing that can be done until things change (and dont hold your breath for that anytime soon) is to at least express these feelings, and let there be the occasional statement of disapproval of this mania, amidst all the unthinking obsession.

Anonymous said...

I think that sports/PE should be removed from schools entirely.

Athletics is no place for an intellectual environment such as school--if you want to do sports, do the same thing that everyone who plays any sort of game other than athletic ones has to do and do them outside of school. It's absurd that these time-wasting activities can be used as reason to gain favor in the admissions process, when being a master of something considered trivial--such as rubix cubing, yoyoing, or any video game--is ruled out as a quirky hobby. Games, especially RPGs, puzzle games, and others are highly intellectual and mastery of those, especially highly competitive ones such as Starcraft, may relate more closely with academics than sports would. (anecdotal: one of the smartest students I've known--highly healthy, able to bench 400lbs, breezed through quantum physics--was a gosu-level Starcraft player.)

The most common argument for keeping sports/PE classes in school is that they provide exercise. Sports are to exercise what RPGs are to reading: they provide it, but not as much as pure exercise or pure reading would. If you want to get the most out of exercise, make a strict program for cardio/weight lifting. The exercise in sports isn't focused. In fact, a video game like DDR may actually be better for exercise because you can play in controlled, timed intervals while knowing exactly how many steps you've placed per song. This is the main excuse for keeping sports in schools, and it's a weak one. Standardize some classes that would teach kids how to exercise/eat effectively and you'd save a thousand or two hours.

The problem with complaining about sports is that people equate having a disinterest in sports with being unhealthy, unathletic, lazy, etc, which is highly untrue. I follow a strict meal plan, literally eating the same meals scheduled at the same times every day, with no complaints due to the health benefits they provide, as well as exercising on a daily basis--it's not an issue of health, it's an issue of making a hobby, which is what sports are, something more than a hobby by allowing them to be used for admission or recognition in an intellectual environment.

As far as I know, the shock of reducing sports to hobby status is an American thing. In Germany, sports are given hobby status by schools, as is music and other extra curricular activities, though I don't know if German colleges use them as factors for admission. However, the top American colleges are the world's top colleges, which makes admission based on excellence in sports a poblem. Either make every other kind of competitive activity (gaming, yoyoing, rubix cubing, to name the former examples) equally recognized in schools or remove the ability to use them as credit. Right now, all it does is waste the time of students that should be spent learning.

GreggOrange said...

This country's obsession with sports, pro sports, sports celebrities, sports heros, etc., is insulting to my intelligence. It is also very indicative of just how culturally backward and stupid we have become as a society when what really matters to us is who wins the Super Bowl or the World Series when a huge segment of the world's population is starving, we are destroying the enviornment for our children, we are fighting a war in the Middle East that has bankrupted our economy and America is going down the tubes. We are busy placing tremendous emphasis on organized team sports on our children from an early age on and we are spending countless millions of dollars on sports programs in our public schools because it teaches "good sportsmanship", "competiveness" and "keeps kids in shape". Other countries are making a complete mockery of us because their kids are far surpassing us on every intellectual level and we are rapidly losing our competitve edge in the global marketplace because we are more concerned with teaching our kids to worship Micheal Jordan and throw a ball around than we are teaching them something truly useful to improve themselves intellectually and become productive, useful members of society. Sports is nothing more that trivial entertainment and should be regarded as such. When we as a society praise and regularly participate in this absurd Roman gladitorial arena spectacle called pro sports and continue to shell out exhorbitant amounts of dollars so that some pro quarterback can make 20 million dollars a year to toss a ball a few yards with the utmost precision we are ultimately the ones to blame. Sports figures are generally just as bad of role models for our kids as drugged out rock stars, egomaniac Hollywood movie stars, thuggish rap "musicians" that advocate violence, drug abuse and general stupidity as well as a host of other "celebrities" that are altogether undeserving of their status. Let's get our priorities in line and start putting our dollars in the pockets of individuals that can really make a difference in our society and perhaps improve the quality of life for not only us but our children as well in the future. Teachers, scientists, innovators, forward thinking intellectuals, agriculturists and other true leaders in our society are the ones that should be given merit and big salaries. But that probably doesn't matter to you, you've got season tickets in the luxury booth and you are getting ready to pop open another Coors and scream at the top of your lungs because a bunch of huge, aggressive muscle bound guys in tight pants just got a first down. That's what matters to you. This country is doomed!

justme2 said...

I hate sports, and I'm so glad that I'm not alone. To me, sports is almost pointless, and for the life of me, I cannot fathom how society has placed soooo much value on it. It's like someone telling me to accept 1 + 1 = 5; it just doesn't make any sense to me. Sports to me is equated to caveman behavior. Don't get me wrong because I consider myself to be in very good shape: I lift weights, do cardio, stretch, do martial arts (self-defense NOT sports), but I never do any sports. Somehow, bouncing a ball around, throwing it into a hoop, and running up and down, just can't compare to say, using wavelets for human voice recognition, or using an imperative, context-free language to write an operating system, or using the genomic sequence data of the human genome to discover cures for cancer, or using a million-count transitor IC chip to design a processor capable of executing millions of instructions per second. I'm looking at sports on the one hand, and these other things on the other. Humm, no contest. Sports suck.

Heatherrivity said...

Yes, finally, somebody who shares my viewpoint! As a teacher, athletes are given too much undeserved recognition for doing meaningless activities. The real heroes and heroines are those persons that have the talent to move this country forward and not move around aimlessly on the field or stadium. I am so disturbed by school assemblies that "celebrate" the various teams of athletes by parading them across the gymnasium. It makes students who have outstanding scholastic performance so insignificant.

I find it very irritating to be listening to people around me discussing sports (i.e. outcomes of a game, the plays they saw during a game, and so on)as if they were some "elite" group making those who are "not sports minded" so uncomfortable and idiotic in their world. I perceive their discussions as worthless babble that have no relation to advancing this world intellectually and humanely.

DBB said...

Yes, those sports assemblies are terribly annoying. I only ended up being forced to attend one of them when I was in High School and fortunately I figured out pretty quickly that I could slip out and go home early.

Pretty much everyone I work with at my new job is into sports, so I hear alot of talk about it around the office from everyone (men and women). But they also are respectful of the fact that I have no interest in it whatsoever - in fact, my boss's boss asked me in a friendly manner if I pay attention to sports at all, rather than the usual (which is just assuming that I do). And I felt comfortable enough to say that I really didn't.

George Estremera said...

I could write a long post like this too, but suffice it to say I grew up being expected to be an athlete only because sports were popular.

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Craig Storm said...

Interesting take. I have a different view than you, which I express on my blog. But there's nothing about Survivor there. At least not yet. :)