tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post892626154809764057..comments2024-03-18T02:22:56.392-04:00Comments on Disgusted Beyond Belief: Equality Thought PoliceDBBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17805375811782552873noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-20960405510476555392008-07-13T06:32:00.000-04:002008-07-13T06:32:00.000-04:00UC - Motive and intent are tied to actions - like ...UC - Motive and intent are tied to actions - like if you shoot a gun intending to hit someone or you just intended to make noise (though in that case, intent probably matters less unless the person survives - because it is considered so dangerous to shoot off a gun it falls under the 'should have known' aspect of intent even if you didn't really intend to kill someone. <BR/><BR/>And conspiracy still requires actions - in many states you can't be charged with it at all unless you've taken concrete steps to do the conspiracy, and in any case, you need to actually agree with someone else to do something, which, absent telepathy, requires actions on the part of both people to communicate and agree to do something together. So again, thoughts are insufficient to complete a crime.DBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805375811782552873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-17852448077896697242008-07-13T05:43:00.000-04:002008-07-13T05:43:00.000-04:00Hi DBB,"free nations recognize....every criminal l...Hi DBB,<BR/>"free nations recognize....every criminal law requires actual action to be guilty." I agree. That is exactly how a free nation would behave. Here in the Land-of-the-Free, we have laws against "conspiracy" and, in a trial, physical evidence is often outweighed by "motive" and "intent".<BR/><BR/>DaveUnderground Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04529765554335480307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-12863103050101663642008-07-12T12:15:00.000-04:002008-07-12T12:15:00.000-04:00Dbb - very well said. I agree 100%Dbb - very well said. I agree 100%Sweating Through foghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07138602196953744517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-36228094207295008642008-07-11T09:21:00.000-04:002008-07-11T09:21:00.000-04:00BB - They can be "police" in their own little fief...BB - They can be "police" in their own little fiefdoms, though they don't generally have the power to do more than be assholes to you and banish you from their little fiefdoms. But you are right, that is better than when they have official government power. I do think the "police" label is still relevant, though, in that a lot of the people who advocate such ridiculousness also advocate it being enforced by the state. Thankfully, they alone don't get to decide if it would be. <BR/><BR/>Ielyah - I understand what you're saying, but again, if those "bad thoughts" remain inside someone's head and they don't actually take any "bad actions" it really isn't anyone's business and there is nothing wrong with it. Sort of like if your employer does something that annoys you and you briefly have a thought in your head of shoving them into the office shredder - you haven't done anything wrong, even though the actual thought, if followed through on, is a crime. <BR/><BR/>Probably just about anyone walking alone at night will feel some fear if an unknown, but large, stranger walks by, regardless of race. That's normal. That's human. If you feel a little more worried because the person belongs to a different group than you, be it racial or whatever, that is also normal. The familiar feels good and the unfamiliar brings apprehension. <BR/><BR/>With the woman, again, regardless of your thoughts, unless you act, what does it matter? If you say nothing, do nothing different (other than reacting as one would normally react to someone who is upset) then who cares? Fundamental attribution error will have people most of the time attributing other people's failures to their personal failings and excusing their own as from outside forces anyway. That's also normal. <BR/><BR/>Sure, it is good to be aware of these things, but unless you are actually acting on them, it is irrelevant. And they will always be with us. A racist and sexist-free society will not be one without such thoughts, it will be one without such actions. <BR/><BR/>I am glad to know you don't expect self-flagelation - but then not all feminists or anti-racists are as I described - it tends to be more the radicals (who can also be rather vocal). And thanks for the comment - I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce your handle...DBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805375811782552873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-37458691679803794702008-07-10T22:38:00.000-04:002008-07-10T22:38:00.000-04:00Most of the time they don't actually expect you to...Most of the time they don't actually expect you to self-flagelate yourself, and honestly as a feminist I wouldn't want every male to stop thinking of women as attractive and possible bed-mates. There's nothing wrong with that, and its kinda human nature ;). What most feminist (or anti-racist for that matter) are for is catching yourself when you think: "Yikes, theres a big black guy! I better watch myself, or he'll rob me" or along female lines "Gee, that chick is upset, must be her time of the month" It the assumptions that are made in regards to race and gender that are so deeply intrenched in our minds that we wish to counter, not our reaction when we see someone we find attractive or when something new makes us feel uneasy.<BR/><BR/>Just my two cents :)Ielyahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717655823537805266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-50362484011257356912008-07-10T18:25:00.000-04:002008-07-10T18:25:00.000-04:00They're not thought police until they have guns an...They're not thought <I>police</I> until they have guns and badges, prisons and gas chambers.<BR/><BR/>If someone wants to get all worked up over what I'm thinking, over whether I'm sensitive enough, I just tell them to fuck off and leave me alone, and I ignore them.<BR/><BR/>The substance of your post is correct, though, and deserves repetition: The notion that we are morally accountable for our thoughts, feelings, instincts, intuitions is completely ridiculous. If someone feels bad or insulted or unhappy because they think I think whatever, then they're just stupid.Larry Hamelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.com