tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post2586705740428810957..comments2024-03-18T02:22:56.392-04:00Comments on Disgusted Beyond Belief: I must be bad or privileged or somethingDBBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17805375811782552873noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-72387749596589843142008-03-08T21:44:00.000-05:002008-03-08T21:44:00.000-05:00DBB,I see you are on to their "privilege" game. A...DBB,<BR/><BR/>I see you are on to their "privilege" game. As I wrote about <A HREF="http://sweatingthroughfog.blogspot.com/2007/10/playing-games-with-privilege.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://sweatingthroughfog.blogspot.com/2008/01/flameout-attempt-to-triangulate-between.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, to leftists in general and feminists in particular, assertions of privilege are a rhetorical technique used to marginalize differing views. To leftists, privilege means you are blind to the world and unable to understand suffering - hence anything you say lacks credibility. Lack of privilege is the mark of nobility and insight, and a more realistic perception of the injustices in the world.Sweating Through foghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07138602196953744517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-86135449520206976222008-03-04T16:22:00.000-05:002008-03-04T16:22:00.000-05:00E - I think I might have an addiction to reading b...E - I think I might have an addiction to reading blogs like that or something. <BR/><BR/>You hit the nail on the head - name calling and taking things out of context - that is a very succinct way to describe the way some people there and elsewhere respond to someone who doesn't agree 100.00% to everything they say. <BR/><BR/>I have a post on that which I'll do once I'm awake... <BR/><BR/>I do still always hold out hope that at least someone's mind is open enough to change a little bit - I try to keep mine open, even as I argue like a lawyer...DBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805375811782552873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-43922335853113570702008-02-29T20:04:00.000-05:002008-02-29T20:04:00.000-05:00I don't know how you even have the patience to sit...I don't know how you even have the patience to sit though all that crap, DBB. I don't think you're really, truly going to change anyone's mind over there, and they always resort to the less-than-rock-solid rhetorical strategies of name-calling and taking things out of context, in other words, the same things they accuse people of using who do not agree with them. But I guess it must be nice to always be right. Maybe if you brought up the EXACT same arguments with a handle like "Jane," your point might well hit home, but since you're a man, I guess you're automatically wrong. (We get to do that to pay you back for centuries of patriarchal oppression, you know.)<BR/>Anyway, I'm just not brave enough to post this over there, in case I get accused of being a bad feminist, too.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315849412290918217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-66028861527874906282008-02-29T16:11:00.000-05:002008-02-29T16:11:00.000-05:00a guy who technically was afoul of Texas law until...<I>a guy who technically was afoul of Texas law until earlier this decade because of my sexual relationship with my partner of 17 going on 18 years.</I><BR/><BR/>I just want to clarify this -- it could be confusing. I have been in a same-sex relationship for 17+ years, not that my partner was 17 years old waiting to turn 18. That's a different law! :lol:Friðvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08508816404445742901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2925765946042638459.post-19628772023513888792008-02-29T14:10:00.000-05:002008-02-29T14:10:00.000-05:00Maybe I just have no more patience because of fati...<I>Maybe I just have no more patience because of fatigue.</I><BR/><BR/>I doubt it because that doesn't explain my lack of it.<BR/><BR/>With all due respect to the egos at work here (and that includes all of us), this discussion--which has now gone on for a week or two across multiple threads -- is splitting hairs in the grand scheme of things.<BR/><BR/>Take for example the dog-whistle slur against women vs. the foghorn (my new term) of the open letter to the LGBTQs.<BR/><BR/>In one instance we have a dig at a women candidate in a heated debate which many women in general take as a sign of disrepect against all women. I can understand that. But in my opinion it is a leap to a conclusion. Do I really think the man believes women should be treated like 2nd class citizens or did he just fuck up in the heat of debate?<BR/><BR/>Now, were he to issue an open letter to women and feminists in particular to address their concerns and forthrightly say that he personally believes something along the lines of "wait your turn" or "back of the bus bitchez" then yeah, we have a problem.<BR/><BR/>But that's exactly what he said to the LGBTQ community -- I "personally" believe in separate but equal (even if it isn't) and states can deal with this.<BR/><BR/>But of course, I'm filtering all this through my white male of privilege -- a guy who technically was afoul of Texas law until earlier this decade because of my sexual relationship with my partner of 17 going on 18 years.<BR/><BR/>So pardon me if I get a little hot under my white collar when I'm just another male prick with a desire to control women. It's kind of hard to throw someone under the bus when you're ON the bus, and quite frankly have one less fundamental right than a heterosexual woman.<BR/><BR/>If I bring up Roe v Wade, and I have, it's not to dangle that over anyone's heads as the ultimate price to pay for refusing to play this game the way I plan to; it's because *I* happen to care about it, and a whole host of other issues too numerous to mention. <BR/><BR/>And sometimes I wonder why I bother. I just know I have made the decision to move beyond the "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for [blank] -- or worse, Didn't Vote At All.<BR/><BR/>Because I am concerned about the country at large right now, even moreso than I am about my own equality. And that is saying quite a lot. It has basically taken me 25 years politically to get to this point, only to have it dismissed in any number of condescending ways by someone who was what, 4 years old at the time, and still behaves as such, and then proudly does a high-five in a thread with her cohorts to celebrate the triumph.Friðvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08508816404445742901noreply@blogger.com